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If Chappell Roan being dressed as a sex doll makes her “not a feminist” then every woman who has worn a skirt in a patriarchal society is “not a feminist.” Men have proved that no matter how we dress they see us as objects for sexual pleasure. It didn’t matter what Chappell wore that night, it has never mattered what a woman was wearing. I argue that critiquing a woman’s morals based on what she wears is the real anti feminist position.

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needed this essay as someone who recently ranted over choice feminism….LOL. like yikes lowkey as what you describe as a “anti-choice feminist” this was a hard pill to swallow. but i’m essentially grateful for it because it forced me to confront things i wasn’t ready to admit.

i think some of my perspective comes from the fact that i actually know many liberal women that you describe as unconvincing in real life. and (sorry not trying to get into the discourse, just bringing it up as an example to a larger question) i also don’t think the Sabrina Carpenter issue is really with the album cover itself, but rather it being paired with the title. i didnt care about Chappell’s costume and i didn’t care about the juno sex positions or her naked on a magazine cover. But the reason the album cover caused such a stir to me had more to do with the implication of her as a man’s bitch. from the dog leash pose to the title, i wouldn’t say it’s something to completely dismiss as just an expression of her sexuality when her expression on a large stage does have an some sort of impact on culture. because i believe that sometimes culture does influence some material reality. like we’ve seen with the popularization of phrases such as “i’m just a girl” and “embracing my divine feminine” and “now i like pink again”. those phrases going from joking about not wanting to take out the trash to this learned helplessness and massive trad wave that i’ve seen everywhere is concerning and i’ve seen it’s impacts in real life. i don’t think that one album cover has this massive amount of power to cause significant material harm. and i also agree that the true demon is white supremacy + capitalism. after reading, i understand now that as a feminist, i should put my energy, critique, and backing behind the root causes/compensation rather than claiming a moral high ground from criticizing a woman for not being “feminist enough”.

so i guess my question is: to what extent does culture impact material conditions? to what extent should we try to combat that culture as a barrier to liberation from those conditions? or does “culture” even matter when regardless of trad-waves or girlboss “put it in a messy bun and handle it” women are still not free? should we only try to attack the material conditions and acknowledge the impact of culture but not organize around it? etc.

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